A gentler and more logical economics
(this one is a bit long)
Neoclassical economics is built on very strong assumptions that, over time, have become “established facts.” Most famous among these are that all economic agents (consumers, companies, etc., are fully rational, and that the so-called invisible hand works to create market efficiency). To rational economists, these assumptions seem so basic, logical, and self-evident that they do not need any empirical scrutiny.
Building on these basic assumptions, rational economists make recommendations regarding the ideal way to design health insurance, retirement funds, and operating principles for financial institutions. This is, of course, the source of the basic belief in the wisdom of deregulation: if people always make the right decisions, and if the “invisible hand” and market forces always lead to efficiency, shouldn’t we just let go of any regulations and allow the financial markets to operate at their full potential?
On the other hand, scientists in fields ranging from chemistry to physics to psychology are trained to be suspicious of “established facts.” In these fields, assumptions and theories are tested empirically and repeatedly. In testing them, scientists have learned over and over that many ideas accepted as true can end up being wrong; this is the natural progression of science. Accordingly, nearly all scientists have a stronger belief in data than in their own theories. If empirical observation is incompatible with a model, the model must be trashed or amended, even if it is conceptually beautiful, logically appealing, or mathematically convenient.
Unfortunately, such healthy scientific skepticism and empiricism have not yet taken hold in rational economics, where initial assumptions about human nature have solidified into dogma. Blind faith in human rationality and the forces of the market would not be so bad if they were limited to a few university professors and the students taking their classes. The real problem, however, is that economists have been very successful in convincing the world, including politicians, businesspeople, and everyday Joes not only that economics has something important to say about how the world around us functions (which it does), but that economics is a sufficient explanation of everything around us (which it is not). In essence, the economic dogma is that once we take rational economics into account, nothing else is needed.
I believe that relying too heavily on our capacity for rationality when we design our policies and institutions, coupled with a belief in the completeness of economics, can lead us to expose ourselves to substantial risks.
Here’s one way of thinking about this. Imagine that you’re in charge of designing highways, and you plan them under the assumption that all people drive perfectly. What would such rational road designs look like? Certainly, there would be no paved margins on the side of the road. Why would we lay concrete and asphalt on a part of the road where no one is supposed to drive on? Second, we would not have cut lines on the side of the road that make a brrrrrr sound when you drive over them, because all people are expected to drive perfectly straight down the middle of the lane. We would also make the width of the lanes much closer to the width of the car, eliminate all speed limits, and fill traffic lanes to 100 percent of their capacity. There is no question that this would be a more rational way to build roads, but is this a system that you would like to drive in? Of course not.
When it comes to designing things in our physical world, we all understand how flawed we are and design the physical world around us accordingly. We realize that we can’t run very fast or far, so we invent cars and design public transportation. We understand our physical limitations, and we design steps, electric lights, heating, cooling, etc., to overcome these deficiencies. Sure, it would be nice to be able to run very fast, leap tall buildings in a single bound, see in the dark, and adjust to every temperature, but this is not how we are built. So we expend a lot of effort trying to take these limitations into account, and use technologies to overcome them.
What I find amazing is that when it comes to designing the mental and cognitive realm, we somehow assume that human beings are without bounds. We cling to the idea that we are fully rational beings, and that, like mental Supermen, we can figure out anything. Why are we so readily willing to admit to our physical limitations but are unwilling to take our cognitive limitations into account? To start with, our physical limitations stare us in the face all the time; but our cognitive limitations are not as obvious. A second reason is that we have a desire to see ourselves as perfectly capable — an impossibility in the physical domain. And perhaps a final reason why we don’t see our cognitive limitations is that maybe we have all bought into standard economics a little too much.
Don’t misunderstand me, I value standard economics and I think it provides important and useful insights into human endeavors. But I also think that it is incomplete, and that accepting all economic principles on faith is ill-advised and even dangerous. If we’re going to try to understand human behavior and use this knowledge to design the world around us—including institutions such as taxes, education systems, and financial markets—we need to use additional tools and other disciplines, including psychology, sociology, and philosophy. Rational economics is useful, but it offers just one type of input into our understanding of human behavior, and relying on it alone is unlikely to help us maximize our long-term welfare.
In the end, I do hope that the debate between standard and behavioral economics will not take the shape of an ideological battle. We would make little progress if the behavioral economists took the position that we have to throw standard economics—invisible hands, trickle-downs, and the rest of it—out with the bathwater. Likewise, it would be a shame if rational economists continue to ignore the accumulating data from research into human behavior and decision making. Instead, I think that we need to approach the big questions of society (such as how to create better educational systems, how to design tax systems, how to model retirement and health-care systems, and how to build a more robust stock market) with the dispassion of science; we should explore different hypotheses and possible mechanisms and submit them to rigorous empirical testing.
For instance, in my ideal world, before implementing any public policy—such as No Child Left Behind or a $130 billion tax rebate or a $700 billion bailout for Wall Street—we would first get a panel of experts from different fields to propose their best educated guess as to what approach would achieve the policy’s objectives. Next, instead of implementing the idea proposed by the most vocal or prestigious person in this group, we would conduct a pilot study of the different ideas. Maybe we could take a small state like Rhode Island (or other places interested in participating in such programs) and try a few different approaches for a year or two to see which one works best; we could then confidently adopt the best plan on a large scale. As in all experiments, the volunteering municipalities would end up with some conditions providing worse outcomes than others, but on the plus side there would also be those who would achieve better outcomes, and of course the real benefit of these experiments would be the long-term adoption of better programs for the whole country.
I realize that this is not an elegant solution because conducting rigorous experiments in public policy, in business, or even in our personal lives is not simple, nor will it provide simple answers to all of our problems. But given the complexity of life and the speed at which our world is changing, I don’t see any other way to truly learn the best ways to improve our human lot.

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Bravo! If you don’t mind, I want to steal the example of how you’d design a highway. It’s a good example, because our driving ability is seen as limited by our cognative (as opposed to physical) ability, yet people would readily admit that we are not perfect drivers, even when it comes to activities where performance is a matter of survival.
I’m not as confident about our ability to conduct the sort of experiments you’re talking about though. While I agree that we would be better off if we were able to conduct them correctly, I’m not so sure politicians know how to administer an experiment properly. Based on personal experience, we might be WORSE off with improper experiments compared to no experiments at all.
This brings to mind a blog post I wrote, which was inspired by an earlier one you wrote:
http://allyourcode.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/should-companies-experiment/
Not sure I like the “ranting” description but I like your post in general
Dan
i think ideas like ‘the invisible hand’ and ‘trickle-down economics’ should be thrown out — they’re frauds.
other than that, i’d take general issue with your post, in that, we already know the answers — so the problem is not “Which answer is best?’ — the problem is “How do we get the powerful/rich/corporations/politicians to carry out the best answer?” — that’s a completely different issue — a much more difficult issue — really, the only important issue.
in Jared Diamond’s work on ‘collapsing societies’, one of the major reasons that societies collapsed was not because “they didn’t know the answer” — it was for a bunch of reasons, but one of them was a non-functioning political system, like we have in the US.
and, at this point, it’s more than just about if granny freezes to death, or if Johnny can’t afford lunch at school today, or even if fascism overtakes America soon — we’re talking full-blown ecological collapse, the survival of the species, etc.
so, there may be ‘a gentler and more logical economics’ out there, but that’s not the important question — the important question is how do we get the people who own and run things to enact or accept anything other than what it is they want? how do we design ‘a gentler and more logical capitalism/corporatism’ (to the extent that such a thing is possible) that will allow us to continue on this earth?
Dan,
I think you’re spot on with this post. I think your logic can be extended to an area that interests me: organizational design. What you say about traditional economics applies almost entirely to how business school academics and management consultants approach the design of companies and policies within organizations. They assume people will be perfectly rational all of the time, and do not take account of the obvious weaknesses and failings of the real people they encounter daily.
Your suggestions would also make sense inside an organization, where a panel of people from across the organization could critique any new proposals, and pilot programs were run regularly.
Thanks for your thinking and insights.
Graeme
I agree with your thesis people are imperfect and I would even add that majority does not make rational decisions/choices.
The conclusion form that would be stopping democracy as it is. Majority of people have no idea about management of the nation and the only thing they look at is what profit/benefit they are promised and substantially given.
Those benefits are at cost of all the people (taxes) and in result the political elite is driving towards leftism/socialism in order to get the power. Positive feedback mechanism ending in bankruptcy (vide EU).
My view is that money would drive the solutions. The “unsuable” highway you suggest, would attract few customers. Owner would do a market research and design it the way it would maximize profit. Payers would be car users. The rest ignores this fact. The same is with public transport. When it is subsidized the number of people using it does not necessarily increase profit but the trouble instead. Look at effective commercial airlines and all-the-time ineffective public mass transport.
You are assuming that people know which decision will lead to maximum return on investment in pure terms of money, that money alone provides is the be all and end all in fulfilling needs, and that people can accurately distinguish between short term gain and long term gain. That is exactly what the traditional rational economics presumes, and what is shown again and again to be false.
All below valid and referring to EU federation.
People make mistakes. And that’s good because it drives evolution. Smarter genes win, irrational lose. Trying to enforce arbitrary rules usually punishes creativity and effectivness (vide income tax).
Public education system, for example, must handle and fit all and therefore stops smart ones at lower levels. Smart parents who want better education pay for private school but are still being robbed for ineffective education for masses.
Public transport gives priority to ineffective and uncomfortable means leaving the rest in jams and (robbery!) still paying taxes (incl. subsidies) for those who are not able to pay for their vehicles and good roads.
Bankruptcy leaves the rest room for growth. It’s not wrong. It’s healthy. Wrong decisions of ones make other, smarter, rich.
Better decisions are promoted when no artificial rules are set.
Old Roman civil code that was base for modern legal systems is more than enough. Do not cheat, fullfill your voluntary agreements, fix any damage caused to other’s property. Simple and clear law.
What happens now (especially in EU) is adding new regulations that tell people what to eat, how to move and “protect” them from all evil. Approach like that kills self-control, treats people like dumb slaves and leads to even dumber generations. Sad but true.
I am not an economist an there are major differences among economists, but I think it is a big mistake to equate rationality with “making the right decisions” and I really do not think economists base their work on the latter.
I would argue that a rational decision is one that helps fulfil the decision makers preferences (economic, social or other preferences) based on their current knowledge. Assuming that people strive to act rationally is not unreasonable. And still it is still possible to act irrationally, it is just not possible to determine it in a specific uncontrolled situation because it is difficult to know what the preference are – even for the subject.
When economists goes wrong it is usually because they do not understand the preferences at work. This problem rises exponentially with central planning.
Fret not. Neuroscience will sort this mess eventually – as it will the legal system.
Dan,
Really good post, it touched the topic I’m concerned the most (where are we heading). We are normally trying to understand human thinking, rationality, etc. But what are we actually doing with the information we now have.
I would like to see standard economics thrown out, together with politics and money (our worst disgrace, and we invented it).
I see a lot of brilliant ideas in this post, at TED and a few more like The Venus Project (if you could comment on this idea would be great). But
unfortunately I don’t see a clear path towards a better world yet, hope we still have time to make it.
Hope we are rationally enough to get ourselves out of the mess we have created.
I am a big believer in data — so I am optimistic that if we can find useful data to prove our points people will be willing to listen. I realize this is bit too optimistic, but I do hope this will be the case
Dan
When I read this piece, it reminded me of my objections to “Atlas Shrugged”, which (in my view) idealizes an economic system driven by fully rational actors. To me the concept of “enlightened selfishness” makes a kind of sense, but it assumes that you have all the information you need and are smart enough to process it. You read commentators focusing on the “selfish” aspect of this concept, ignoring the “enlightened” side, which tells me a lot about the human limitations on rational actors. If they can’t even grasp how the idea rests on knowledge and intelligence, they’re all the more unlikely to possess those qualities. It’s a nice abstract model, but it’s divorced from the realities of human limitation.
Dan, you made a few mistakes of punctuation in your blog.
Here, I’m pretty sure you misplaced the second parenthesis:
Most famous among these are that all economic agents (consumers, companies, etc., are fully rational, and that the so-called in- visible hand works to create market efficiency).
I’m pretty sure that should read: “Most famous among these are that all economic agents (consumers, companies, etc.), are fully rational, and that the so-called in- visible hand works to create market efficiency.”
Also, there are a few words where you mistakenly put an hyphen in the middle of the word:
*sup- posed, instead of supposed;
*de- sign, isntead of design;
*out- comes, instead of outcomes;
*con- ducting, instead of conducting.
Other than that, well said. I completely agree.
First, let me point out areas where we agree:
1) People aren’t rational.
2) I agree that they don’t always act in their own best interests, as long as you defined “best interests” as “whatever Dan Ariely thinks they should do”
Other than that, there are a lot of really bad assumptions and misunderstandings in your post. So much so that I honestly think you have utterly failed to understand the real truth about economics, and simply have a superficial grasp of the concepts. Enough that you can use big words and sound smart, but lacking in any depth of comprehension.
For example, rational does not equal “perfect”. That’s absurd, and other than a very small number of deliberately simplified economic models, it is never an assumption of economic models.
People act in what they _perceive_ are their own best interests. You, me, your commenters, everyone. They may be very bad perceptions, but that’s true of you just as much as its true of me. We are all incredibly flawed, with incredible gaps in our ability to reason, our ability to comprehend the world because of our poorly evolved brains. All of us.
So any statement that people aren’t acting in their own best interests must be answered with “based on who’s criteria?”
Yours? You think you’re an expert on economics, and yet you utterly fail to understand it beyond the basics? Me, I’m a heartless, soulless monster bent on bending the entire Earth to my will. A cadre of left-leaning economics professors? They are incredibly arrogant philosophers and theoreticians, without the depth of understanding required to see the real world as it actually is. A cadre of left-leaning politicians? Politicians are some of the most power-hungry, self-absorbed, sociopathic people in the entire world. What rational person would want those kinds of people in charge of anything?
No, the only “group of people” with enough depth of understanding to “manage” the economy is “everyone in the economy”. Each of them, making incredibly stupid, poorly rationalized decisions with horrible consequences. That is the only way to “design” an economy that has any sense of justice and freedom.
Yes, it’s messy. Yes, there are lots of mistakes. Yes, there are lots of waste. But any other way of organizing an economy other than the free exchange of irrational people is: “a smaller group of irrational people.” Which makes it definitively worse off for everyone.
Think about it – you spent your post talking about how people aren’t rational. _The people you would put in charge are not rational either_. They are not acting in your best interests, they are acting in their own. And their own best interests are almost certainly “gain more power for myself”
Do corporations have too much power? Undoubtedly. But that’s a flaw in the political system, not in the economic system.
@jb
Your post doesn’t really address what Dan is talking about. You also make assumptions based on your own ideology that don’t have a basis in facts or data. You say people won’t act in your best interest, they only act in their own. Why can’t those interests be aligned? Why can’t they act in your best interest and ignore their own? According to rational economics this would never happen, but anyone who lives outside an economic model can give examples of people doing things to help others that won’t get them anything in return other than a smile and a thank you. I’m sure many economist will justify this ex ante and say “Their utility was maximized by helping others rather than themselves”. Obviously the next question would be “How can we know what people value in various situations?” Neo-classical economics has no answer to this, but they make all these models where they just assume people’s preferences and then when things don’t go according to the model they just change the model and claim they knew it all along. That’s not science. That’s just fortune telling with calculus thrown in.
Thanks, Dan, for an excellent post. I was fortunate enough to have Economics professors who both taught the five key assumptions of neoclassical economics and who also pointed out the near-impossibility of their ever being fulfilled in most parts of the modern world. Ironically, I think some of the only places where markets are really free and clearing are places we might call call economically non-functional: Somalia, Haiti, etc.
These same professors pointed out that the most interesting economics and policy ideas come from examining the breakdowns in neoclassical assumptions, and that the best lessons in economics-based policy are those taught by the unintended consequences of decisions based on assumptions of rationality, entry/exit, and perfect information. We learned more by examining the effects of information asymmetry than from estimating demand or wage effects, and we learned to couch our analysis and estimations in our assumptions after “smell testing” the results.
I live in a fairly stressed East Coast city, and policy advisers here are always crowing about the high property tax rate-since if the tax rate goes down, the price of investment changes, and people will start moving back. Price goes down, quantity purchased goes up, and former ghettos are full of rational, information-rich, perfectly marginally priced middle-class residents and landlords. I would laugh if they weren’t so serious.
Agree completely. The origin of the problem is that humans have a well honed detector for certainty that they experience in the present but no real means for checking for the truth in the future, reflect on the past, and then inform policy for the more distant future. So most people are comfortable with certainty and very uncomfortable with the murkiness of truth. The illusion of certainty is well laid out in The Invisible Gorilla: And Other Ways Our Intuitions Deceive Us by Christopher Chabris and Daniel Simons
Dan, I think the blog entry would gain from a few examples of what you mean by irrationality. By quickly going through the comments, there are a few people who clearly demonstrate an ignorance of why your question rational behavior (though, it could just be cognitive dissonance… ironically).
I think you’re overstating the failures of neoclassical economics by imposing the failures of neoclassical economists on the theories themselves.
For example, individuals would need to have perfect information (and the ability to process that information) to act in an optimal way. Yet we know this condition is never met and that humans have a natural incapacity for properly weighing distant events with more proximal occurrences. That’s not to say that we are all guided by irrationality, but rather that we have to better describe how individuals perceive their more localized utility in order to predict how they might act. This is precisely what behavioral economists work towards using various methodologies, but it’s also perfectly consistent with neoclassical mechanism.
The failure of some economists to account for how individual utility at a given time may be sub-optimally determined is not to say that a neoclassical understanding of economics cannot account for and consider that reality.
I also think we need to differentiate between individual decisions and system motions ala sociology/psychology or more from my field, chemistry, quantum mechanics and thermodynamics. Surely how individuals react strongly influence group behavior, but on some level large groups (that still fall under microeconomics) do behave differently from 10,000 feet than individuals. In creating large scale policy we need a better understanding of the extent to which “local irrationality” generates “systemic irrationality” for a particular set of policies and conditions.
Again, without really exiting the sphere of a neoclassical understanding (at least as I see it), we’re simply saying that economists need to think about the tolerance a system has for individuals acting sub-optimally. In many cases I suspect it just won’t matter.
I agree that the idea of homo economicus is false. But pointing out that people are not perfectly rational does not automatically mean that government intervention is superior to the free market. Human irrationality would also play on the regulators and the political process which creates the regulations. You’re road analogy is false because it seems to imply that free-market = no rules, but that isn’t true.
I also agree that if the government does something that it should be evidenced based, even given all the problems associate with that.
One avenue that you didn’t mention is using betting markets to set policy. Do you think that betting is a proven way to decrease irrationality?
Strawmen are quite easy to slay, aren’t they?
If consumers are often irrational, why would we think policy makers any better? Integrate your field with public choice, and then lets see what kind of recommendations we get.
>We cling to the idea that we are fully rational beings, and that, like mental Supermen, we can figure out anything…
and furthermore, some of us (or more accurately, you) cling to the belief that there is some unified group clearly defined by the pronoun “we,” who acts and thinks in rough agreement with each other, even if the basic premises upon which that agreement is based are flawed.
Queen Elizabeth inherited the right to use the royal “we.” Few other people get it correct.
One note, while I agree that we need an economic system with better tolerance for “irrational” decision making, we also need better eduction for our economic “drivers”. That is, just as your proposed highway system is flawed because it has no margin for error, I also wouldn’t want to drive on our current highway system without things like mandatory driver’s education, license exams and highway patrol. These are all tools to ensure that drivers have a minimum amount of skill before they participate in the highway system as consumers. Sadly, we have no parallels in economics. We don’t teach any basic financial skills and then we wonder why people make such stupid mistakes.
My proposal would be to approach the problem from both ends. Create an economic system that tolerates error and irrational decision making, but also teach folks to make better decisions.
I fully agree with this proposal — not easy to do but it is the right direction.
Dan
I would like for more views to be expressed in our national debates. However, I would like less volume. The shooting in AZ this weekend is an example of people trying to find an answer before they have gathered all the relevant facts. I’m waiting to see if the negative anti-Obama, anti-government rhetoric is not found to be the root cause of this most unfortunate event. Let’s all remember that our words do matter. Let’s make them count for something good.
Interesting perspective and one I would note for the financial marketing field. We have shoulders on highways, because people do not drive perfectly, but also in place is driver’s training and a test to be sure those out there driving are educated enough and able to do so.
But what kinds of tests or education is given to the millions who sign mortgage paperwork or other cumbersome contracts. They tend not to have that training before signing their name to purchase a home worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, over and over, page after page.
Rationally they would ask questions and have a thorough understanding of the contract, but they behave “irrationally” and do not ask questions because it would be more cumbersome at that point of the purchase process to do so. But isn’t that what is in place? Something so cumbersome that people feel foolish asking if they do not know?
And now we see what signing that documentation has meant to the national economy. We can now see consumers really did not understand the economics behind an “interest only” loan?
While a financially educated public certainly sounds like a good thing, let’s not forget about “perverse incentives”, whereby even investment bankers (who are presumably more financially sophisticated than the average debt holder) perceive highly speculative risk-taking to be in their individual self interests – especially when the guarantees of a government bailout and a big annual bonus obtain.
Thanks for some great comments. What is clear to me from all of these is that we need some data and experiments on topics more closely related to policy and large social decisions — I am traveling for the next 4 weeks, so this will be a good time to ponder these questions.
Dan
Unfortunately, our history with social experiments is not good.
Back in the Johnson Administration, a program called “Follow Through” was implemented to determine the best approach to educate K-2. The program did in fact find 1-2 highly successful program. However, after 100s of millions of dollars and many, many years of data involving hundreds of thousands of children, the results were never officially released because the results were not to the liking of the educational establishment. (I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s a true story nonetheless.)
We run across this in market research all the time. But let’s be honest, tracking empirical reality is rarely, if ever a priority in human beliefs.
Magical and supernatural beliefs dominate, and overwhelmingly so globally. This includes the training at all business schools, best selling business books, etc..
For example, is there evidence education even works? Whatever that would be. We have a very mythic relationship with education.
Evidence is way too taxing on very limited brain resources. This is literally true. All brains, and nervous systems, are “cognitive misers.”
Any cite on that research and process?
The best example is see is the credit card industry. Why would a “rational” person pay 19% or greater interest on a loan while keeping a cash cushion of $1,000 in the bank earning 0.01%? Because it makes them “feel” safe? Perhaps. If human beings were rational credit cards would always be paid in full every month because people would only buy what they could afford. When we look at the fiscal policies of the US and it’s own citizens, we see that rationality left the building a long time ago. I will not agree to the critique that an information asymmetry is to blame. People get their statement with the interest charges listed every single month. It should only take one statement to jar a rational person into a spending reduction plan.
As a physicist/astronomer by education, it seems to be that what economics is missing in its rational assumptions is ways to quantify some of the primary driving forces of economics, particularly greed and the desire to game the system. Today’s markets appear to be driven by technical systems totally incomprehensible to the old line managers who go along with it because they like finding and profiting from loopholes in the system.
And your highway analogy only makes me think of the aggressive drivers cutting people off trying to get ahead and the fact that I rarely drive the 100 miles from here to LA without seeing a vehicle rolled over beside the road.
Even though I hold degrees in accounting and economics (and a CPA as well), I have questioned conventional economic theory as well. In an economy so heavily based on consumer sales, behavioral economics should be weighed heavily.
By the way, if I hired perfect accountants to assist me, I would not give them erasers, a delete key or backspace key.
I delve a little into behavioral economics in this article.
http://phinvv.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/banking-on-the-housing-market-is-not-the-answer-to-our-woes/
You propose to conduct policy testings, for example in Rhode Island. But I think that the proper answer to the problems you describe is to push for decentralization. There are so many policy decisions that can be pushed down to lower levels and are needlessly taken at higher level. If they were decided on a lower level you would get experimentation and testing for free. If each and every state decides their own “No Child Left Behind” program (as an example), you would certainly get several different policy designs and could compare outcomes.
The problem is that the policies that are so often advocated on higher levels are the same that vere tested on the lower level and failed. That is unfortunately often the only reason they are proposed on the higher level at all. If they were successful on the lower level, they would proliferate naturally.
Fascinating post. This idea has the potential make an excellent (and important) book. I hope you consider writing it.
The article puts an experiment in a community as an example; this is a plausible approach since the economy ought to be regarded as the manifestation of the community forces, from which all the economic order derives. This approach brings to mind the one of Manfred Max-Neef (“barefoot economics”).
The mankind is far from adopting a scientific attitude before substantial problems and potential of communities — where ultimately lie both problems and solutions. Communities, such as small towns or neighborhoods, are humanly and economically dynamic, then all fixed and semi-fixed theoretical systems implying human behavior are not definitively scientific: everything that deny movement is unscientific; everything that do caeteris paribus assumptions is distractive from reality, as the universe maintains itself in harmonic motion. Man, considered as part of the universe, would render inharmonious if his ideas were fixed or semi-fixed. Relativity Theory calls us attention on this subjects.
What are fixed ideas? actually, an idea is a creation; changes in the human mind not conducive to social changes are only new representations of the same idea, but not a creation, which requires material expression: a fixed idea is a pond with light movements in its waters; said “new” representations are just these non-significant movements.
An “ideological shift” is needed; this should have implied the acknowledge of the creative power of man and the necessity of the corresponding resources for the continuous manifestation of ideas. From the viewpoint of economics, this assertion leads us to the concept of “development”. People require to continually express their nature; if not, they could fall in harmful deportment — underdeveloped countries are more exposed to harmful phenomena than the ones called “developed”.
In general, the world is not in a straight way of development: the productive system is at the service of the financial one, when the proper relation is the opposite; the result: much idle money, used in a non-productive way, as large-scale speculation. Stagnant balances, stagnant minds, like ponds with light movement in their waters. Fixed ideas: a worldwide problem.
Dan,
I am not an economist. But, when I completed my MBA program at University of California, Irvine, I had chance to attend Prof Richard McKenzie’s Microeconomics class. One nugget that I kept from his class is understand the people and situation, and that will give a lot of insights about any business or social situation. Prof. McKenzie had a lot of examples some of which are still with me, as they were so simple and yet insightful. And then, when I look at supply and demand with this mindset, I feel I am better prepared to understand the case on hand.
And, I read Steven Lewitt’s Freakonomics and saw value of incentives and importance of coming up with what to measure in order to analyze any situation.
I have started reading your ‘Upside of Irrationality’. And, it’s been a fascinating journey so far. It prompted me to check out your blog one more time.
I see common thread between all these three sources that I have seen and read – understand the situation and people involved to be effective.
When I think about your examples about the tax rebate or bailout, yes I would think that these very concepts would still be relevant. And given enormity of the scale of the problem and the proposed solution, testing would make sense. It’s disturbing to learn they aren’t doing all that.
My Q – what would you suggest for coming up with the testing strategy while solving a problem? I am struggling with this a lot while working on business problems. I would welcome pointers from others on this as well.
I am not in academia, so if I am not getting all the right lingo, then please bear with me.
Thanks, Deven
We have lots of information about how humans work, its just in the wrong place. Food (and other) marketing, political spin doctors, television evangelists.
Hi Dan,
I think neoclassical economists do know that their assumptions are not “rational”, especially with more and more data supporting this fact. However, I am still wondering how big change can it brings to Economics. The key for economics model is predictions. We judge whether a model is good or not based on predictions. Usually economists are not willing to change their unreasonable assumptions because using a reasonable assumption often means adding complexity to the models. However, according to Occam’s razor, this is not a good thing. I think if behavioral economists want to prosper, they need to prove to the others that they can at least yield a better predictions, and using lesser assumptions.
I believe that many neoclassical economists would have argued like this before but what’s your opinion about this?
P.S. there is a good article for everyone. It’s about decision theory and the aim of economics. It’s pretty long but worth reading:
http://people.bu.edu/blipman/Papers/dekel-lipman2.pdf
Julian
Some people view behavioral economics as an indictment of classical economics. I don’t. The discipline of economics is very clear about the assumptions that it makes to model the tradeoffs of life. Sometimes, those assumptions fail, though. Sometimes information is imperfect, markets are not free, or people are irrational. The power of economics is that the assumptions are guides to figure out how to solve a problem, or how to exploit an opportunity. Economists call them “assumptions” and not “facts” for a reason.
I love both classical economics and behavioral economics because of the common ground they share. I’ve never really understood the friction between classical and behavioral economists. It’s the same discipline, all built around curiosity about human behavior to resource allocation, at various levels of aggregation. The conflict is a kind of typical academic silliness, and probably has roots in competition for funding.
The assumptions of classical economics can lead us to fascinating questions and investigations that behavioral economists and psychologists can test. Why do people spend irrationally on weddings? Why are people too risk-averse at times against probability and their own best interests? What drives the irrational exuberance that produces market bubbles? What is different or the same that creates irrational panic that exacerbates crashes? Classical economics does not fail us in these questions, it points them out as curious examples to test.
How about testing the drivers for petty academic arguments?
I waited awhile so as not to inflame the conversation … which I may still do. (I just wish someone more talented with words were saying it… as I do not wish to offend, yet I understand what I am about to say will be controversial)
There was a time when some very bright children were placed in special needs class rather then accelerated classes because they were thought to be retarded and socially inept.
Out modern education system has learned to recognize that some children are gifted in some areas and have nurtured their gift to the point that the child can remain in school and function normally.
In this era, we have computers. Someone who is socially inept and unable to express himself can communicate by computers. So if someone has Aspergers, they can be taught with the computer and their brilliance shines.
The inherent problem is not that the individual is not noticeably different unless they have severe Aspergers, but there is a definite wiring of the brain difference that makes them stand apart literally and often by their choice. Empathy and understanding emotions and their cues are often difficult and for some impossible.
One thing many have in common is the love of organization, numbers/math and the ability to focus on their area of expertise even to the detriment of their health.
Ok now to the point. While there may have been few economists in the past who had mild Aspergers, it is now probable that the numbers have grown. And having known a few people with Aspergers and lived with one for many years, there is often an inability to see shortcoming in themselves and expectation that others to be as interested and in tune to their theories and models as they are. (and they are brilliant so sometimes it’s impossible to refute or keep up which is why some teachers gladly put them in advance classes)
Being able to communicate with computers and to show their brilliance in fields where being socially adept isn’t a problem, is a godsend. There is no way they should not be working in the mainstream. But it also means they are often working as quants, economists, scientists, financial and computer whizzes etc.
It’s wonderful, do not get me wrong. I celebrate that brilliance and that it has been nurtured, but here’s the rub. You take the quants who created CDO’s and other financial instruments, the economists and scientists who are more concerned with the data and model than humanity, computer geniuses who build HF trade programs or hack, financial geniuses that feed on risk and the numbers rather then serve their clients, and so on and then throw in some unethical megalomaniacs, market manipulators and narcissists as their bosses and you can create havoc with an economy.
This is one thing that can happen when you take the humanity out of the models.
One of the models that has literally removed the humanity and may crash at any given time.
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/12/ff_ai_flashtrading/all/1
The new invisible hand needs a slap
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/01/13/algorithmic-trading-and-market-structure-tail-risks/
HBR has a good blog post today on the “visible hand”
http://blogs.hbr.org/hbr/meyer-kirby/2011/01/when-did-the-invisible-hand-lo.html
>Why do people spend irrationally on weddings?
Two words: Martha, and Diane.
Pre-princess, weddings were affordable. Martha worked her “magic” at pretty much the same time Diana walked down the aisle. Hasn’t been the same since.
We would propose the challenge is not explaining “irrationality” (immediate gratification, hyperbolic discounting) that’s a given in all life forms. The really hard question is identifying and explaining “rationality” or long-term, deferred gratification behavior since the future is unknowable.
How would that have been “selected for?”
Economics as a Humanity Discipline and Predictability as the Challenge
The challenge (already failed?) to classical economics seems the simple problem of predictability.
Classical econ is really a humanities subject. Humanities disciplines are descriptive and interpretive and very valuable. Sometimes predictive but not based on experimentation and testing or a theory that ties back to the law2s of physics. Therefore, predictability has no basis — other than chance. Thus, the nature of investment econ
Humanities are also largely ideological and prescriptive supporting, post hoc, existing socio-cultural beliefs and behaviors.
Critical testing of ideas is a low priority. Interpretive elegance, cognitive dissonance, we would propose, is primary.
Why humanities knowledge is not used as a basis for flight – anymore.
Likely because economics uses numbers and is often about money our brains ascribe (assumed) predictability to it and give it face validity. Ideology always has that pull. By definition, successful ideology “feels” so right.
Data is fine and an improvement over ideology (wishful thinking) — sometimes. But without a theory of “causes” ultimately based in mechanical physical processes and laws — probably just “symptom chasing.” That is our core critique to the “nudge” and behavioral econ models.
Also why we put our time into brain-based sciences.
Hello,
I’m not an academic and my knowledge on economics is rather limited, but here are my thoughts on the subject.
From what I remember, in Neoclassical economics, the model presupposes the existence of individuals and the union of those individuals into organizational groups. It associates itself mainly with the economic transactions of these entities and it assumes that in general rationality is the key determinant of the outcome of that transaction.
Most critiques I’ve read about Neoclassical economics usually deal with lack of perfect information, that man does not always behave rationally and the limits of abstraction.
One of the things, I feel is a big issue and this comes from partially from the above critiques is that Neoclassical Economics really emphasizes the motivation behind a transaction, but not always the means of producing or reproducing a transaction. For example, packaging can have a large effect on purchasing probability (think your book mentioned this), prices can have an affect on consumer behavior (maybe this is equilibrium probably mentioned, but more just the recognition of some reference currency and how price can sometimes alter behavior, like in your book how something that is free has an affect on the consumer) and even symbols like brands or store chains represent ways of regularizing experience. Often government regulation can be used to secure the existence of a transaction or to lower the cost towards a single group (employees versus business owners, safety regulation at times). I believe one large goal of maintaining profitability is often to maintain a consumer base, this base is kept by reputation, advertising and finding ways to maintain transactions. I just wonder if the Neoclassical model puts too much faith in the existence of a transaction without considering the means by which the transaction exists. Part of this, I guess, comes from the fact that behavior is abstracted and,therefore, simplified, but it just seems a bit of a shame that a theory that encompasses distribution, production, and consumption, would not also put more energy into the actual existence of the transactions in and of themselves (does Neoclassical economics presuppose the existence of a transaction or deal with this. I think that the assumption of perfect information makes it less relevant, but that feels to me like it is divorced from the social aspect of those transactions).
I might not have read enough economics and might be absolutely wrong about my above assumptions. Again, I only know the basics on the subject. So, if I am wrong please feel free to correct me. Maybe it is also just the emphasis that I’m being critical about or maybe there really is no argument in this case and I just don’t know enough.
In a normal economy it would be beneficial to be suspicious of “established facts” and to carefully examine each case as in your example for designing highways.
However, in a downtime, it is more advantageous to just produce, in another words cheap quantity as opposed to more expensive quality. Don’t just take my word for it look at china? Going back to your allegory, they are not thinking so hard about the skills of the drivers when they are building highways.
Most products made by china is of much lower quality than the same products manufactured by US or European or Japanese manufacturers. However china has leaped ahead of his competition because in down economy those rules do not really apply. My two cents.
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