Online Dating: Avoiding a bad Equilibrium
When going on a first date, we try to achieve a delicate balance between expressing ourselves, learning about the other person, but also not offending anyone — favoring friendly over controversial – even at the risk of sounding dull. This approach might be best exemplified by an amusing quote from the film Best in Show: “We have so much in common, we both love soup and snow peas, we love the outdoors, and talking and not talking. We could not talk or talk forever and still find things to not talk about.” Basically, in an attempt to coordinate on the right dating strategy, we stick to universally shared interests like food or the weather. It’s easy to talk about our views on mushroom and anchovies, and the topic arises easily over dinner at a pizzeria – still, that doesn’t guarantee a stimulating conversation, and certainly not a real measure of our long-term romantic match.
This is what economists call a bad equilibrium – it is a strategy that all the players in the game can adopt and converge on – but it is not a desirable outcome for anyone.
We decided to look at this problem in the context of online dating. We picked apart emails sent between online daters, prepared to dissect the juicy details of first introductions. And we found a general trend supporting the idea that people like to maintain boring equilibrium at all costs: we found a lot of people who may, in actuality, have interesting things to say, but presented themselves as utterly insipid in their written conversations. The dialogue was boring, consisting mainly of questions like, “Where did you go to college?” or “What are your hobbies?” “What is your line of work?” etc.
We sensed a compulsion to avoid rocking the boat, and so we decided to push these hesitant daters overboard. What did we do? We limited the type of discussions that online daters could engage in by eliminating their ability to ask anything that they wanted and giving them a preset list of questions and allowing them to ask only these questions. The questions we chose had nothing to do with the weather and how many brothers and sisters they have, and instead all the questions were interesting and personally revealing (ie., “how many romantic partners did you have?”, “When was your last breakup?”, “Do you have any STDs?”, “Have you ever broken someone’s heart?”, “How do you feel about abortion?”). Our daters had to choose questions from the list to ask another dater, and could not ask anything else. They were forced to risk it by posing questions that are considered outside of generally accepted bounds. And their partners responded, creating much livelier conversations than we had seen when daters came up with their own questions. Instead of talking about the World Cup or their favorite desserts, they shared their innermost fears or told the story of losing their virginity. Everyone, both sender and replier, was happier with the interaction.
What we learned from this little experiment is that when people are free to choose what type of discussions they want to have, they often gravitate toward an equilibrium that is easy to maintain but one that no one really enjoys or benefits from. The good news is that if we restrict the equilibria we can get people to gravitate toward behaviors that are better for everyone (more generally this suggests that some restricted marketplaces can yield more desirable outcomes).
And what can you do personally with this idea? Think about what you can do to make sure that your discussions are not the boring but not risky type. Maybe set the rules of discussion upfront and get your partner to agree that tonight you will only ask questions and talk about things you are truly interested in. Maybe you can agree to ask 5 difficult questions first, instead of wasting time talking about your favorite colors. Or maybe we can create a list of topics that are not allowed. By forcing people to step out of their comfort zone, risk tipping the relationship equilibria, we might ultimately gain more.

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While reading this entry, I could not help thinking that, in fact, this ‘bad equilibrium’ is what characterises most conversationa at work as well. Even worse, the conversations dragging over and over at company events. “How was the weekend?”,”Whom do you support in the World Cup?” (I live in a country who did not qualify for the Soccrer/Football World Cup), “When and where do you go for holidays?”, etc etc. There is nothing I dread more then company events, where you have to use all your social skills into avoiding at all costs any personalisation of the conversation, any politically incorrect topic.
I feel the same way about having to “maintain” conversations with people I haven’t necessarily chosen to have a relationship (as in the case of work); however, I don’t think taking more risks with work conversations will yield the same kinds of benefits that Dr. Ariely is talking about with dating. It probably makes more sense to not “rock the boat” when it comes to your co-workers, because you will be interacting with them on a regular basis whether you like them or not. If you develop a bad relationship with someone it, not only will it make coming to work (more) unpleasant, it could seriously hurt your career. Dating is very different because:
a) You’re trying to develop a personal relationship (as opposed to a professional one). This means your interests are best served if both of you know things about the other person besides favorite colors or other superficial features.
b) Dating is like taking a test drive. If you don’t like the other person, that’s ok (discovering whether you are a good match is sort of the point). You won’t be forced to continue going out with him or her.
I agree with Dana above that bad equilibria are very present in business, but not just at social events, also in real day-to-day business interactions. Most people are naturally conflict-averse, as a a result we focus on what we can naturally agree on. The result? Tricky decisions – the type where one party will not get what they want – get avoided.
This is sometimes called the elephant in the room and I have found that just stating that gives permission for the more difficult conversation can be had.
Bad equilibrium is “bad” only in the context of the desired outcome. So if economists / behavioral scientists deem a certain outcome as bad simply because it converges quickly and does not yield the desired outcome, then this is termed bad. However, this is missing the possibility that the desired outcome may be also a non-linear time variant function, as is usually the case in human behavior & relationships in general. When two people are on their first date [or any situation where there is a first interaction], people are willing to give it time to see where the equilibrium shifts. This used to be called, in old lingo, “discovering one another” which takes time! I mean if you know how the other person feels about very personal situations in the very first meeting and behavioral scientists think that this makes everyone happier, guess what? I think this is more likely a temporary situation and may not last longer than in the traditional style of equilibrium shift. The stimulating exchanges might excite the Behavioral Scientists and the participants themselves due to the novelty factor of doing something so differently than what they are accustomed to, but the question here is really of sustainability. I mean, lets give Nature some credit – if she intended man to behave in a certain way in a romantic / dating scenario which has primeval reasons, then there must be something right about it!
I agree with what you said about sustainability. It’s quite possible that this type of first interaction won’t lead to a better relationship later on. On the other hand, if you start out by being extremely frank, the opposite could also be true. To me, it seem quite likely that openness from the very beginning would lead to better long-term outcomes.
On the other hand, I have to very disagree about trusting that nature has given us the best way to behave in these sorts of situations. To give an analogy from evolutionary theory, the appendix is a vestigial feature that actually hurts our survival. Having an appendix means we face a non-negligible risk of dying from appendicitis, even though it doesn’t perform any useful functions. In other words, nature has not given us the “optimal” set of organs that one could imagine. The same thing could be true of our “natural” behavior when it comes to first dates, although I would further argue that a conservative approach is far from ordained by nature. It seems more likely that our approach to first date conversations are more a product of culture; it’s easy to imagine that first date conversations in other cultures work differently (if they even have the concept of dating in the first place).
You took hammer and hit nail!
i have had quite a bit of ‘interest’ from men on date sites, but the useless banter that ensues doesn’t allow for real conversation and it Peter’s out because the questions and answers ARE insipid and rarely are the actual answers to my meaty questions. I am open, but I stop being so if I get nothing in return. No trust there…
Do you know how many men write hello as a greeting and hello, how are you as the body of an email? Too many!! I answer I am fine and oddly none write back! they expect that useless effort to get them somewhere… they really and truly do.
I want someone who is not shy, has a personality and can converse on paper, then on the phone and soon after face to face. Show me the personality! You do not have to reveal anything risky to reveal your essence.
You must have read my mind because this is exactly what I was going to write about on my blog today, because I finally met someone who wishes to be open and tell me enough in the beginning so I can garner trust.
After 2 days he has showed me his quirkiness, given me details of his life, apoke about his family and made me mucho interested. I couldn’t wait to get more emails from him and now i can’t wait to meet him. he earned a ton of bonus points by showing me he was real and not ‘just like everyone else.’ it isn’t that difficult to do! Show the personality!
Even it it doesn’t work out, I truly am more impressed with this guy then any I have spoken to or dated in over 2 years!
I know females do it too, so all people need to get real and quit fudging profiles to be who they WISH they were. We hold on too much to our egos and that self runs our lives. The other person doesn’t want to meet your fragile ego or your inflated ego… they want to meet the real you.
@Arun If men are acting the way nature intended, shame on mother nature!
I love to read your stuff, Dan Ariely. I am going to send this post to the new date site I am on, which is for serious daters. This is a great idea! No insipid first emails! Answer some tough questions I really want to know… brilliant!
As usual, extremely interesting piece which I intend to forward to my next prospective on-line date with the suggestion that she pick the five topics. I’ll keep you posted,
Great post! can you post the list? lol
I think that “bad Librium” is much more likely in face to face situations and not online. My wife and I met online and then got married so I can add some perspective to this. I think online dating is misunderstood by many. I think online conversations are, by nature, much more open and frank from the start and I think anybody that has tried online dating would agree with me. Online daters are free to be themselves and be less inhibited from the start. As an example, why do many online daters look nothing like their posted picture? My experience tells me that “bad equilibrium” is really more likely in face to face situations and not online.
@dale heim
Online coversations are open and frank? Not for my age group! FEAMLES are perhaps more open and frank… guys are closed and shy and if they aren’t they are usually players. (or scammers)
PS: your example made no sense as someone who is frank and open means they are honestly portraying themselves and telling you openly about their REAL persona. (Frank = above board, truthful, candid, forthright)
Being nothing like their profile or picture means they were lying … overtly or by omission. Unless of course you mean that by being less inhibited you mean less truthful!
As an online dating coach, I interpret this study differently than the author’s conclusion. This doesn’t proves that daters should skip formalities and jump immediately to discussing abortion before they say “hello,” but that daters should get a little more daring with their emails. Being bold matters! I would never condone asking if someone has an STD in a first email, but I would recommend that they think outside the box and highlight an unexpected discussion point from their match’s profile. It doesn’t always necessarily need to be something you have in common, just a sassy topic you can discuss at length.
Some commenters have suggested that this implies work banter (and small talk in general) is also in a bad equilibrium. I think this is inaccurate because dating is inherently different, and here’s why.
One of the points of dating is to “weed out” those you are incompatible with. But a date revolving around insipid conversation won’t likely accomplish this goal because, for example, a passionate pro-lifer and a passionate pro-choicer won’t recognize each other as such, even though this may later turn out to be a deal-breaker. Thus, much time is wasted. Bad equilibrium.
In contrast, workplace talk is usually better off avoiding interesting (aka controversial) topics. Why? If you and your date disagree personally and vehemently on some topic(s), you stop dating. But if you and your coworker disagree personally and vehemently on something, *you still have to work together*. The workplace may become fractured and tense, a worse equilibrium than that from insipid smalltalk. This reasoning probably applies to most situations (hence the saying about not talking about politics or religion at a dinner party.)
This is all evidence that Dan and his commenters are a bunch of geeks so socially awkward that they have never even succeeded in analyzing why they have so much trouble relating to the normal world (and I say this as a geek). “Making conversation” is not about the content of the conversation, it is about making sure that your conversation partner CAN “make conversation,” i.e. adhere to strict but subtle codes of what is appropriate, what is amusing, what is out of bounds. It’s a great way to rule out serious psychopaths, if you have any interpersonal sensitivity. It’s totally content-independent–I think baboons do it, too (see Baboon Metaphysics, for some fascinating examples. Of course, the effect is much more powerful in person, which is why it’s easy to write off most online daters in about 5 minutes as either undesirable for anyone, or simply incompatible for me–and why I refuse to spend more than about the same amount of time corresponding with an online dater who won’t make immediate plans to meet in person. So much more bandwidth live!
If geeks are inept socially, and you profess to be a geek, why should we trust your personal experience over Dan’s scientific approach? If the participants reported being happier, then it seems that the benefit of a livelier conversation outweighed the apparent disrespect for social convention.
Great reading, as always, Dan. Funny enough to come across this article the day before hearing that they’ve taken this experiment and formed a reality T.V. show. where contestants that are usually online daters meet each other and share some of their most deepest secrets with each other before choosing to go out on a date. It forces them to reveal obvious ‘deal-breakers’ before going out on a date and doing so over dinner (though I’m not sure if doing so live on national television is a less uncomfortable situation.)
Sadly, the show airs on FOX, and is hosted by Jerry Springer, so I highly doubt it has any element of rigor to it, and most of the dialogue is probably scripted. It’s a nice idea, though.
When I was doing online dating (which ended happily with a long term person), I would often say something to the effect of: “These things are always so awkward, I never know what to say, so here are three random questions…” and then I would ask random questions, like favorite foods, choosing between no TV for a year and something else, most recent bad date, a relationship thing, etc. Something more daring than weather. But the setup was key to not coming off like a weirdo.
I once used a dating site that was clearly for more “alternative” or “hip” people. One reason I liked it was because, in order to participate, you had to answer some quirky questions (better than the overly provocative ones used in the study described above) like: What is the biggest lie you have ever told? If I was in your bedroom, what would I find?
The problem on the other sites is that most guys had utterly boring profiles in which they described themselves as “down-to-earth” and “easygoing.” Good grief. In my profile, I tried to be as honest as possible, using a bit of self-effacing humor to take the edge off of the less positive elements of my biography. What good would it do me to hide vital facts about myself? I stressed, for example, that I have far-left political views, can’t stand dogs in the house, and despise watching sports on television. Why cover this up, and end up on a date with some Republican pick-up driver with a Red Sox cap and a golden retriever he needs to get home to feed?
The freaky thing is that, even though I was very clear about my preferences about these and other issues in my profile, a number of men who clearly were not suitable nonetheless chatted me up. One problem with the initial stages of dating is that people often lie to try to make themselves more attractive. So provided these questions are well-chosen (I think, for example, it is too much to ask people to lay out their sexual history, especially when so many people feel tempted to lie about this) this is a far better approach than listing hobbies and favorite movies.
I agree that talking about the weather isn’t a big deal, but I do think that figuring out which college someone went to, where they work, how many siblings they have are very important things. I happen to want to date someone who is educated, does work for which they are passionate, and is close to their family. I can gauge whether or not someone fits these criteria fairly quickly if I just directly ask these questions. The way in which someone talks about their siblings and parents quickly shows how they feel about their family and how important their family is to them. How someone speaks about work very quickly tells you whether or not they are passionate about what they do for a living. Most of the time, while this may not lead to amazing banter, it very efficiently gives me what I want. If a woman’s answers are consistent with what I am looking for, then I can ask more fun stuff like, “What would you do right now if I gave you a million dollars?” That question almost always leads to meaningful conversation. I would hate to ask all these crazy questions, start falling for a woman, and then find out that she didn’t go to college. Maybe that’s a horrible thing to say, but I feel we all have a right to want certain characteristics in someone we date.
Small talk is a waste of breath. Why not talk about what really matters to you?
Try asking this simple question and see what happens. With a little finesse and grace, great conversation can happen: “What’s Gone Well Today” — for you.
@Arup, why would you think that is a horrible thing to ask?
“Maybe that’s a horrible thing to say, but I feel we all have a right to want certain characteristics in someone we date.”
I want to know about the libido, about their passions and their life, their wants and stories about themselves, not the weather and I am fairly certain most others feel that way too.
The whole point of this discussion (isn’t it?) is we tend to drift to insipid conversation that is easier, rather then get to the meatier questions which actually concern us and help us to get to know the other person and how you can relate.
FYI, as you can see I am forthright and have no trouble asking the hard questions, but I also am tired of wasting so much of my time with people who are too shy or sly to talk about the hard stuff.
I’ve developed a set a meme, and associated metaphors to help ensure authentic conversation and social engagement. Our NGO is called ConversationWorks.ca The meme (culturally sticky idea) is this simple question, ” What’s Gone Well Today?” Check out the web site which includes sample cards from our 20 card deck, as well as WGWT moments people have shared in writing , audio and video comments
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That is absolutely True!!
Avoid boring, emotionless, “interview Type” questions at all cost! Women do NOT respond to this stuff very well. Men need to stimulate their emotions.
Use humor. I always refer back to a joke I made in a few emails. Works great and keeps the conversation flowing well.
It’s also good for an ice breaker.
Having great conversations will lead to second dates for sure! Don’t bore her to death with your job, financial status, stocks or the best route to get to Costco.
Just a few things to avoid. Keep it real and fresh.
Christophe
Internet Dating Tips For Men
I’ve never took the following into consideration, but you can avoid the worst if you manage to not cross the way of a narcissistic pervert. This is one of the most dangerous kind of persons you can meet on the web.
And at the same time, at the beginning they can be very cool persons. So, never give more to someone you don’t know than the minimum, even though they will make their best to make you do so.
I may be off-topic on this one, but avoiding bad equilibrium is also thinking about the basics.
I use the standard stock “What are your hobbies? What music do you like to listen to?” questions every time I reply to someone. The reason? I’m basically trying to get an initial feel of them, and get the basics. The more interesting questions might be, well, interesting, but I really don’t see why you should ask them in the very first conversation. Are those normally questions you’d ask a complete stranger? Would you ask them of someone at the first coffee date, before you really know who they are or what their personality is like? They can come up, but shouldn’t they come up later?
The initial stock questions should, to me, provide a basis that people can build on to get to more interesting discussions, so “What books do you like?” can lead to someone listing one, and then an answer of “Oh, I read that. What did you think of this?” and then you can get into interesting discussions over it. If that’s not happening, either the two people aren’t good conversationalists, aren’t right for each other, or are intimidated by talking in E-mail.
I suspect more important than what I say in my initial email encounter is how my photo looks, my age, and whether I’m approaching a lady (with kids) who is a few pounds above her idea weight.
In our profiles (and in our emails), we all paint a rosy picture of ourselves. We pick good photos, fib about our height and weight and exaggerate our interests. We withhold pertinent information in hopes they won’t notice or will overlook it when we first meet. Also important is timing, which we can never predict. I was in an intimate relationship with someone for six months, yet her personal profile remained active. The guys who approached her for dates probably did not realize they were not merely chatting up a girl up for dates and possible sex; rather they were chatting up a girl who wanted to see if they were better than the guy who was already in that position before she considered them for dates and sex.
In my initial contact, I try to be amusing, yet confidently self-effacing. To a girl who boasted of taking limousine tours of Napa Valley wineries, I once replied I could regale her with tales of touring bourbon distilleries along the Kentucky Bourbon Trail in a rented Kia Rio.
Lying on your profile is something I don’t understand. Now oddly I don’t believe in absolute honesty and when I hear people say that a “requirement” I usually pass. But if anything I tend to understate who and what I am. I’m slightly taller than my online profile, slightly fitter, in fact probably better accomplished in almost all areas. But, I’m uncomfortable talking about myself and so many profiles seem sort of braggadocios. I prefer to let people be pleasantly surprised.
Oh, and having a PHD means not much. Got one of those too. Don’t have to proclaim that to a comment board for sure.
I still don’t understand what the point in is lying on your profile–especially about such obvious facts as height and weight. And why post a picture that looks nothing like you, unless you want to witness a look of disappointment when you date sees you for the first time? Life is way to short for these kinds of games. Unless you think you possess a charm so powerful that you can override your date’s feelings of disgust when she realizes she’s been lied to.
This reminds me of the first date I had with my girlfriend (of 2+ happy years). We met online, clicked, and after emailing for about 2 weeks met in person. At dinner, after about 45 minutes of nice but fairly polite conversation, she looked me in the eye and seriously asked, “So what are your dreams?” I couldn’t help but break out laughing – it was so not a typical first date question. But I answered her seriously, and I was impressed by her directness, and happy to skip most of the typical banal first date chatter.
Is this list of questions… available at some link? I would love to read it!
I agree with the idea, but the sample list of questions is awful. Do you have any STDs? Seriously?
Why not have a date doing an activity you both enjoy.
You can have an experience like this
at Platonic Passions
Sounds like an advertisement for eHarmony, which is in fact how I met my husband!
This article reminds me of my first date with Internet. This is where I met my wife. In fact, the first time we meet, it’s was not so easy to chat. I am a shy and she has been very positive towards me. Today we live together for almost 3 years. And we’re happy.
Hi thanks very much for this great info that’s what I was looking for.
Online dating is a deep topic… the first date is very important for the future of the relationship. Only one advice : be yourself and don’t lie!
Rgds
The french celib
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Very interesting
I would targeted small niche like BBW or Black dating. Great post. Lucy.
This is an awesome post! I work as a dating coach, and starting and maintaining good conversations is something people tend to have trouble with, both in the real-world and online. Going outside the box with the questions you mentioned is a GREAT idea, and if more people had the cojones to do it we’d have a lot more lively debates going on out there. I just finished up a post about having confident conversations (http://www.online-dating-mastery.com/how-to-be-outgoing-%E2%80%93-the-7-secrets-of-confident-conversations-revealed/) that someone may get some good info from. The more free info that’s out there, the better–if people follow the advice, the online dating scene will be a whole lot more fun!!
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Great post this kind of thing happen a lot, that’s why it’s always better if you try to know some of many interets someone might have. First date is stressful for some!!
right! i can relate to this post, cause it often happen. Sometimes it takes a lot of courage to deal with this stuff cause online world is really vast and we don’t know the pros and cons.
I can agree with straying outside the box but there’s a difference between being adventurous and being rude. Asking how many sex partners or the last time a date was checked for STD’s is rude. Asking how a person feels about a controversial current event (the Trayvon Martin shooting is current right now) is adventurous.
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Basic Rules of Blind Dating for Newbies
There are lots of people who have no idea as to how they must prepare for blind dates. While blind dating seems like an interesting adventure, it could turn out to be a disaster if you don’t take enough time to ready yourself. Although blind dates are set up by friends or family, you’d like to think that they know the two personalities fairly well to make them come together. However, they don’t have the slightest clue as to what can be expected from it.
Your friends may have taken the trouble of asking a man/woman out on a date with you, but the person at the other end has no idea what they’re in for. Descriptions by friends or family members don’t always tell the whole story of an individual. It’s up to you to make a unique connection with a person, even if it is the very first time you’re meeting them. There are a few things which must be taken into consideration so as to avoid striking disaster on a blind date.
Make a good first impression
Considering that you’ve never met your date for the evening before, your first notion can make or break the future of the two of you. It is important to dress well as it’s the first thing he/she will notice about you. Wear clothes that you find comfortable so that you don’t have any problems with the same during your evening out.
Go easy on the food and drinks
It is very easy to get carried away when food and drinks are in your sight. However, you might want to take it easy as consuming excess of either of the two may not go down well in your date’s books. Don’t get too comfortable with the individual as you’ve only just met them. Make sure that your personal belongings are not left alone with your date.
Do your bit to make it a happening evening
Blind dates can be ironic for the reason that you have no idea what you’ve signed up for. Regardless of who your companion for the evening may be, it is important that you do your part to make the date as fun as possible. Engage in conversations about the things you may have in common as this will lay the foundation stone for other topics that may be of mutual interest.
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