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		<title>By: pharmacy technician</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pharmacy technician]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nice post. thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice post. thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: dental hygienist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dental hygienist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 23:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A real-life quasi-example:  Lockheed Martin had a traditional soda machine in their San Diego facility, so sodas cost everyone a dollar and then $1.25, both more and a hassle to pay for.

The Operations manager proposed getting soda in the right mixes from Costco, putting it in a refrigerator and putting a covered can for payment with forty cents the proposed payment.  The goal was that the venture broke even -- the time to purchase and place the soda in the work rooms was donated.  If two months went by when receipts did not cover the costs, the practice would be discontinued.

The fund was routinely &quot;over&quot; as people often put in a bit extra to cover for someone who might not have paid their fair share that month.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A real-life quasi-example:  Lockheed Martin had a traditional soda machine in their San Diego facility, so sodas cost everyone a dollar and then $1.25, both more and a hassle to pay for.</p>
<p>The Operations manager proposed getting soda in the right mixes from Costco, putting it in a refrigerator and putting a covered can for payment with forty cents the proposed payment.  The goal was that the venture broke even &#8212; the time to purchase and place the soda in the work rooms was donated.  If two months went by when receipts did not cover the costs, the practice would be discontinued.</p>
<p>The fund was routinely &#8220;over&#8221; as people often put in a bit extra to cover for someone who might not have paid their fair share that month.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbys</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a chiropractor in Hawaii who operates on an honor system.  The Dr suggests that patients pay $40 for each treatment, but patients are free to pay whatever they feel is a fair price.  Payment is done by dropping money in a locked drop box after treatment has been completed.  The Dr has had the honor box system in place for nearly a decade and seems to be doing well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a chiropractor in Hawaii who operates on an honor system.  The Dr suggests that patients pay $40 for each treatment, but patients are free to pay whatever they feel is a fair price.  Payment is done by dropping money in a locked drop box after treatment has been completed.  The Dr has had the honor box system in place for nearly a decade and seems to be doing well.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Veronica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it depends in what part of the world you are. I live in one of the Scandinavian countries now and I can tell you that people here are remarkable honest. I have found these type of coffees not only in the city centre, but also in the school canteen and what I have seen is that people pay the correct amount for their coffee.  There is something in the scandinavian culture that we should learn from.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it depends in what part of the world you are. I live in one of the Scandinavian countries now and I can tell you that people here are remarkable honest. I have found these type of coffees not only in the city centre, but also in the school canteen and what I have seen is that people pay the correct amount for their coffee.  There is something in the scandinavian culture that we should learn from.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samantha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have this Indian restaurant in Singapore where you can pay as you wish. And I think it&#039;s been around for ages. http://yum.sg/?component=view_restaurant&amp;restaurant_id=38]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have this Indian restaurant in Singapore where you can pay as you wish. And I think it&#8217;s been around for ages. <a href="http://yum.sg/?component=view_restaurant&#038;restaurant_id=38" rel="nofollow">http://yum.sg/?component=view_restaurant&#038;restaurant_id=38</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cheng,
Whie I see your point about intervals, I think the dorm room case implies an issue of social (not geographical) proximity.  I agree that some of the students will very possibly return the cokes when they go to the store.  But I don&#039;t think they all would.  Because it is easy to make the common refrigerator contents and their owners impersonal, and that frees some people to violate social norms (against stealing).  We hav the same theft in our refrigerator at home - my wife buys ice cream and the kids (and me) are tempted to eat more than our share of it, but if mom tells  us that she is saving it for Monday after dinner then we are both connected to the personal owner (Mom) and the purpose (Monday dessert).  Oh, and they&#039;re also motivated by the threat that mom will hit you with a frying pan if you touch it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheng,<br />
Whie I see your point about intervals, I think the dorm room case implies an issue of social (not geographical) proximity.  I agree that some of the students will very possibly return the cokes when they go to the store.  But I don&#8217;t think they all would.  Because it is easy to make the common refrigerator contents and their owners impersonal, and that frees some people to violate social norms (against stealing).  We hav the same theft in our refrigerator at home &#8211; my wife buys ice cream and the kids (and me) are tempted to eat more than our share of it, but if mom tells  us that she is saving it for Monday after dinner then we are both connected to the personal owner (Mom) and the purpose (Monday dessert).  Oh, and they&#8217;re also motivated by the threat that mom will hit you with a frying pan if you touch it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheng</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheng]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mark,

   If you know there is &quot;transaction cost&quot; in addition to &quot;access cost&quot;, your trusting environment question is easy to answer.

   Also, there is &quot;interval&quot; of the &quot;honesty&quot; that Professor Ariely did NOT count in his MIT Dorm experiment, where he placed 6 coke in the refrig and gone within 72 hours. Why this experiment is not perfect on honesty test?

   Because there is &quot;interval&quot;. e.g. Since the &quot;transaction cost&quot; to get a coke at midnight would be much higher than at weekend when student going to supermarket to get coke. So, 72 hours is NOT long enough because many students, sharing the dorm with interval of &quot;one semester&quot;, so &quot;borrow&quot; a coke in refrig, and buy one to return later is an economic way to save the &quot;transaction cost&quot;.

  In other words, Professor Airely, &quot;mis sample&quot; the result. I am sure if he went back to check after the weekend, his 6 coke would be back when student who &quot;borrowed&quot; the coke went to supermarket and buy back and return.

  So, when you refer to &quot;steal&quot;, you often mean the &quot;access cost&quot; of the item, but smart students like MIT would &quot;borrow&quot; to save &quot;transaction cost&quot;, that&#039;s why they are smart. So, if the interval is &quot;one week&quot;, then Professor Ariely may find his 6 cokes, although NOT the original ones, will still be there.

   That&#039;s why if you stay at Hyatt Regency, they charge you $7 for a bottle water, and that $7 is the &quot;access cost&quot; PLUS &quot;the maximum of the transaction cost during your stay&quot;. In other words, sometime at midnight you may drink it.

   Now, smart customers may drink it at that &quot;maximum transaction cost moment&quot;, and buy back and return later, say, in day time, when they can grab one much cheaper. That&#039;s MIT student&#039;s practice.

   So, later Hyatt place a sensor, as soon as you &quot;touch&quot; the items or water, they will make you pay, regardless if you bought one and place back. That&#039;s Professor Airely&#039;s &quot;honest&quot; standard and the &quot;interval&quot; is &quot;second&quot;, whereas it is NOT college student&#039;s interval.

  So, you can see the &quot;interval length&quot; also related to &quot;Social Norm&quot; and &quot;Market Norm&quot; Professor Airely mention in his wonderful book. For &quot;close to 0 time interval&quot; is &quot;market norm&quot;, whereas for &quot;longer time interval&quot; is &quot;social norm&quot;.

  So, when you talk about &quot;honesty&quot; you really should make it clear. Are you talking about &quot;Social Norm honest&quot; or &quot;Market Norm Honest&quot;.

  So, a more trusting environment would be &quot;longer the interval&quot; or &quot;Social Norm honest system&quot;, whereas &quot;market norm honest&quot; is often hard to exist just like Digital Signal System, when your &quot;sampling frequency&quot; is too short, you catch all the noise, i.e. you think people dishonest, whereas, most people they are not sampling in &quot;real time&quot;.

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1) do we have a sufficeintly trusting environment to justify using the honor system (as measured by the probability of each of the three category times the contribution by each category)? and

2) how do I build a more trusting environment (which would increase the probable outcome in $ and justify the pricess)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mark,</p>
<p>   If you know there is &#8220;transaction cost&#8221; in addition to &#8220;access cost&#8221;, your trusting environment question is easy to answer.</p>
<p>   Also, there is &#8220;interval&#8221; of the &#8220;honesty&#8221; that Professor Ariely did NOT count in his MIT Dorm experiment, where he placed 6 coke in the refrig and gone within 72 hours. Why this experiment is not perfect on honesty test?</p>
<p>   Because there is &#8220;interval&#8221;. e.g. Since the &#8220;transaction cost&#8221; to get a coke at midnight would be much higher than at weekend when student going to supermarket to get coke. So, 72 hours is NOT long enough because many students, sharing the dorm with interval of &#8220;one semester&#8221;, so &#8220;borrow&#8221; a coke in refrig, and buy one to return later is an economic way to save the &#8220;transaction cost&#8221;.</p>
<p>  In other words, Professor Airely, &#8220;mis sample&#8221; the result. I am sure if he went back to check after the weekend, his 6 coke would be back when student who &#8220;borrowed&#8221; the coke went to supermarket and buy back and return.</p>
<p>  So, when you refer to &#8220;steal&#8221;, you often mean the &#8220;access cost&#8221; of the item, but smart students like MIT would &#8220;borrow&#8221; to save &#8220;transaction cost&#8221;, that&#8217;s why they are smart. So, if the interval is &#8220;one week&#8221;, then Professor Ariely may find his 6 cokes, although NOT the original ones, will still be there.</p>
<p>   That&#8217;s why if you stay at Hyatt Regency, they charge you $7 for a bottle water, and that $7 is the &#8220;access cost&#8221; PLUS &#8220;the maximum of the transaction cost during your stay&#8221;. In other words, sometime at midnight you may drink it.</p>
<p>   Now, smart customers may drink it at that &#8220;maximum transaction cost moment&#8221;, and buy back and return later, say, in day time, when they can grab one much cheaper. That&#8217;s MIT student&#8217;s practice.</p>
<p>   So, later Hyatt place a sensor, as soon as you &#8220;touch&#8221; the items or water, they will make you pay, regardless if you bought one and place back. That&#8217;s Professor Airely&#8217;s &#8220;honest&#8221; standard and the &#8220;interval&#8221; is &#8220;second&#8221;, whereas it is NOT college student&#8217;s interval.</p>
<p>  So, you can see the &#8220;interval length&#8221; also related to &#8220;Social Norm&#8221; and &#8220;Market Norm&#8221; Professor Airely mention in his wonderful book. For &#8220;close to 0 time interval&#8221; is &#8220;market norm&#8221;, whereas for &#8220;longer time interval&#8221; is &#8220;social norm&#8221;.</p>
<p>  So, when you talk about &#8220;honesty&#8221; you really should make it clear. Are you talking about &#8220;Social Norm honest&#8221; or &#8220;Market Norm Honest&#8221;.</p>
<p>  So, a more trusting environment would be &#8220;longer the interval&#8221; or &#8220;Social Norm honest system&#8221;, whereas &#8220;market norm honest&#8221; is often hard to exist just like Digital Signal System, when your &#8220;sampling frequency&#8221; is too short, you catch all the noise, i.e. you think people dishonest, whereas, most people they are not sampling in &#8220;real time&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
1) do we have a sufficeintly trusting environment to justify using the honor system (as measured by the probability of each of the three category times the contribution by each category)? and</p>
<p>2) how do I build a more trusting environment (which would increase the probable outcome in $ and justify the pricess)?</p>
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		<title>By: Cheng</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheng]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very true, Wayne. Once I was at Merck where they provide FREE coffee, dozens of flavor, all you can enjoy. And, one colleague drink as much as he like. Later he got heart disease...

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Wayne

People steal and are dishonest when they think they will get away with it.
They have forgotten or are not aware that “God” sees all. He will balance the till one way or the other.
Once upon a time i would of had a free coffee these days I know better and would pay. Like me some are slower to learn lifes learns lifes lesson.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true, Wayne. Once I was at Merck where they provide FREE coffee, dozens of flavor, all you can enjoy. And, one colleague drink as much as he like. Later he got heart disease&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Wayne</p>
<p>People steal and are dishonest when they think they will get away with it.<br />
They have forgotten or are not aware that “God” sees all. He will balance the till one way or the other.<br />
Once upon a time i would of had a free coffee these days I know better and would pay. Like me some are slower to learn lifes learns lifes lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheng</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheng]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just came back from NJ Hot Air Balloon Festival where one paid $25 admission, and you can get as much FREE drink, food, bag, ...etc as you want.

For example, the Turkey Hill stand just have all sorts of their brand drinks dispensers and cups. Hey! help your self like a graduation party at your friends home.

So, the best policy to do is for each citizen to pay $25 and have all you can enjoy coffee ...

Pay once and enjoy as you wish is the future. Pay per use incur too much overhead. That&#039;s why people enjoy going to party, but not going to cafeteria.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came back from NJ Hot Air Balloon Festival where one paid $25 admission, and you can get as much FREE drink, food, bag, &#8230;etc as you want.</p>
<p>For example, the Turkey Hill stand just have all sorts of their brand drinks dispensers and cups. Hey! help your self like a graduation party at your friends home.</p>
<p>So, the best policy to do is for each citizen to pay $25 and have all you can enjoy coffee &#8230;</p>
<p>Pay once and enjoy as you wish is the future. Pay per use incur too much overhead. That&#8217;s why people enjoy going to party, but not going to cafeteria.</p>
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