How the crash is reshaping economics
In a story that just appeared in The Atlantic, Gregory Clark, a professor of economics at the University of California at Davis, described some of his concerns with the profession of Academic Economists.
In this story he also used a paper on online dating (one of mine) to show how economists are working on irrelevant topics. And while I think that the dating market is an important topic to study, and even more to try and improve, I think that his overall criticism is worth paying attention to.
Here is the text:
Dismal scientists: how the crash is reshaping economics
With the chattering classes consumed by concern for the devastated value of their 401K funds, and their suddenly precarious lifestyles, there has been much anger and scorn directed at those former masters of the universe, financiers.
But the shock to the world of finance has been echoed by a shock to the world of academic economics that is just as profound.
In the long post WWII boom, as free market ideology triumphed, economists have won for themselves a privileged place inside academia.
First there is the cash. It astonished some when Washington University, a school with an economics department of modest prestige, hired economists David Levine and Michele Boldrin by offering salaries well in excess of $500,000. But most high ranked economics departments have professors earning in excess of $300,000. Not much by the pornographic standards of finance, but a fat paycheck compared to your average English or Physics professor.
It is not just the stars. Journeyman assistant professors in economics routinely come in at $100,000 or more. And, unlike the hard sciences, they do this fresh from their PhDs, without a publication to their name and without years of low pay as post-docs.
The high salaries have been accompanied by dramatic declines in the teaching burden. The research demands of our advanced science leave little time for the classroom. In good universities faculty typically teach only two courses a year – one of which has to be a graduate seminar. The masses in the Econ 1 classes are often abandoned to the tender mercies of graduate students.
Then there is the economics “Nobel” Prize. Not a real Nobel, but a prize funded by the Bank of Sweden in honor of Alfred Nobel, with all the royal trappings of the Nobel. That makes economics star players really attractive to universities. When Edward Prescott of Arizona State won the Nobel he was paraded at half time at a football game. There is nothing like a Nobel for luster and fund-raising.
Why did academic economics generate so much prestige? Sure, modern economics is technically demanding. But so, for example, are theoretical physics and archeology, and physics and archeology professors are (relatively) dirt poor.
The technical demands helped limit the supply of economists. But what drove demand was the unquenchable thirst for economists by banks, government agencies, and business schools – the Feds, the Treasury, the IMF, the World Bank, the ECB. Economics had powerful insights to offer the world, insights worth a lot of treasure. Economics was powerful voodoo. Any major university or research institute wanted to arm itself with this potency.
The current recession has revealed the weaknesses in the structures of modern capitalism. But it also revealed as useless the mathematical contortions of academic economics. There is no totemic power. This for two reasons:
(1) Almost no-one predicted the world wide downtown. Academic economists were confident that episodes like the Great Depression had been confined to the dust bins of history. There was indeed much recent debate about the sources of “The Great Moderation” in modern economies, the declining significance of business cycles.
Indeed as we have seen this year on the academic job market, macroeconomists had turned their considerable talents to a bizarre variety of rococo academic elaborations. With nothing of importance to explain, why not turn to the mysteries of online dating, for example.
I myself was so confident of the consensus of the end of the business cycle that I persuaded by wife after the collapse of Lehman Brothers to invest all her retirement savings in the stock market, confident that the Fed would soon make things right and we could profit from the panic of a gullible public. The line “Where is my money, idiot?” is her’s.
(2) The debate about the bank bailout, and the stimulus package, has all revolved around issues that are entirely at the level of Econ 1. What is the multiplier from government spending? Does government spending crowd out private spending? How quickly can you increase government spending? If you got a A in college in Econ 1 you are an expert in this debate: fully an equal of Summers and Geithner.
The bailout debate has also been conducted in terms that would be quite familiar to economists in the 1920s and 1930s. There has essentially been no advance in our knowledge in 80 years.
It has seen people like Brad De Long accuse distinguished macro-economists like Eugene Fama and John Cochrane of the University of Chicago of at least one “elementary, freshman mistake.”
It has seen Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, guided by Larry Summers, one of the most respected economists of our time, produce a bailout plan for the US financial system stunning in its faltering vagueness.
Bizarrely, suddenly everyone is interested in economics, but most academic economists are ill-equipped to address these issues.
Recently a group of economists affiliated with the Cato Institute ran an ad in the New York Times opposing the Obama’s stimulus plan. As chair of my department I tried to arrange a public debate between one of the signatories and a proponent of fiscal stimulus — thinking that would be a timely and lively session. But the signatory, a fully accredited university macroeconomist, declined the opportunity for public defense of his position on the grounds that “all I know on this issue I got from Greg Mankiw’s blog — I really am not equipped to debate this with anyone.”
Academic economics will no doubt survive this shock to its prestige.
Will we be as well paid? A recent article in the Wall Street Journal suggests the days of the $500,000 economics professor may have passed.
But more importantly, will the focus of academic economics change? That is hard to tell. But I would rate the chances of Chrysler producing once again a competitive US automobile at least as high as the chances of academic economics learning any lesson from this downturn. (What was the price of that Chrysler stock we bought, dear?)

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Brilliant article!. Basic and useful thinking in times where complexity seems to be the norm. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
That’s nice, but its little more than another ex-post analysis of why economics has failed. It seems to me that most of this was easily discernible before the crisis. I know many economists who wouldn’t want to go near explaining the financial crisis.
Entertaining nonetheless…
Where to start? Well, maybe I should praise Greg’s book “A Farewell to Alms;” it is a good economic history book. On to the spanking.
For an economic historian to refer to a “post-WWII boom” shows a surprising amount of data smoothing. That period contained several recessions and Carter’s stagflation.
Early on, Greg switches targets from financiers to economists, as if most quants in finance were economists. Actually, most were quant jocks with additional training in finance. So this is classic misdirection.
Then there’s aggregation. Apparently “economists” are all the same for the purposes of this article. Theoretical econometricians like Whitney Newey are as culpable as Paul Krugman or Bob Barro. More legerdemain.
So, what’s the story? It reads as “economists make too much money, have too much power, and it’s all undeserved.”
Criticizing Wash U’s hire of David Levine for their non-stellar department, Greg makes a rookie mistake. They hire a star precisely because it’s not a stellar department: To turn the department around. Greg’s error is a “ceteris paribus fallacy” — assuming nothing else changes.
If you’re David, living happily in California, working in a nice department, with plenty of local consulting opportunities, Wash U can’t just offer to match your salary and expect you to join their troubled department, in Missouri, and with few local consulting opportunities. They have to offer you a large amount of money.
As for trotting out Nobelists at half-time for fund-raising… Huh, Greg, why do you think they have a football team to begin with? For which part of a liberal education is the football team necessary? The fact is that many of the activities of Universities are just fund-raising, sometimes to the detriment of knowledge creation and diffusion.
Let’s not go over the old tired argument against mathematical economics. The same argument regarding mathematical engineering was probably raised every time a building collapsed in olden days, but we’re able to build skyscrapers and place satellites in orbit because calculus-based physics triumphed over intuition-based physics.
As for crashes, there is this field in mathematics, chaos theory, that explains how simple and reasonable actions by independent agents can lead to system-wide volatility. As a corollary, it is very difficult to predict crashes.
“If you got a A in college in Econ 1 you are an expert in this debate: fully an equal of Summers and Geithner.” Ok, Greg lost it! Somewhere in his mind he knows this is nonsense; but in his haste to devalue economists, he enters Bizarro territory.
And then resorts to name-calling, via Brad Delong. Why the ad hominem by interposed agent? What was the alleged freshman mistake? This is rabble-rousing without substance.
That fabled debate Greg couldn’t organize, blogged to exhaustion? Greg Mankiw has already explained this: The gist is that “All I know…” is just a quick way to refuse.
And the whole thing about what economists choose to research? Krugman once wrote you can’t do serious economics if you’re unwilling to be playful. Granted, online dating seems to be on the frivolous side. Until you realize it provides a test of the search models at the foundation of labor economics.
Creative economists use new data and new institutions to advance knowledge and may appear frivolous. But, like Krugman’s hot-dog-and-bun economy, the frivolity is only apparent; the depth is there for those who care to think about it.
But that reality would get in the way of Greg’s story.
The reason that so many economists are hired by corporations, is that it gives them someone to blame when things go wrong, rather than accepting the blame for what they did or did not do. The current alibi seems to be “but no economist predicted this”.
I can’t say why economists as a whole have steered towards the so-called irrelevant topics, but to some extent, there is an endogeneity issue here.
Much of what I find fascinating about economics are all the so-called irrelevant topics. I have never cared for macroeconomics. I chose to pursue economics because I love the modeling techniques that the economics discipline had to offer as it applies to solving the many puzzles of human behavior. So, I chose to be an economist based on the fact that I was going to be able to explore so-called irrelevant topics. If such a trend in research topics did not exist, I might not have pursued that discipline.
But how do you revise your models to replace greed by fear?
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